Nick Hanauer:给富人减税不能增加工作职位

完整版: http://lihlii.blogspot.nl/2012/12/nick-hanauer.html

lihlii @lihlii 2012-11-28 08:01:05 UTC

http://crofsblogs.typepad.com/gap/2012/05/nick-hanauer-on-job-creation-and-inequality.html 关于企业资本创造工作职位的迷思

lihlii @lihlii 2012-11-28 08:03:28 UTC
@lihlii 所谓资本家创造就业机会的极端右派说辞,和当初马克思主义说工人创造商品的剩余价值的劳动价值论的极端左派说辞一样,都是违背经济学原理的扯淡。真正的商 品价值和工作职位的创造来源是市场。只有市场交易的完成和繁荣,才是工作职位和商品价值实现的根本。

lihlii @lihlii 2012-11-28 08:14:10 UTC
TED Talk 甚至取消了 Nick Hanauer 关于给富人减税不能增加工作职位的演说录像的发布,可见资本家对舆论的钳制有多严重。

lihlii @lihlii 2012-11-28 08:15:40 UTC
@lihlii 更重要的是,主张给富人加税的巴菲特,驳斥给富人减税增加工作职位的 Nick Hanauer 本人都是富人,资本家。他们的言论说服力更强,因为他们不是屁股决定脑袋,不是为自己的利益说话,相反是损害自己利益而说真话。

lihlii @lihlii 2012-11-28 09:15:31 UTC
@lihlii http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/05/19/the-ignorance-of-nick-hanauers-ted-speech/ 看 Forbes 上的作者是如何狡辩的,这种狡辩技巧我简直太熟悉了。;)

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Published on May 17, 2012

Via Business Insider: “As the war over income inequality wages on, super-rich Seattle entrepreneur Nick Hanauer has been raising the hackles of his fellow 1-percenters, espousing the contrarian argument that rich people don’t actually create jobs.

The position is controversial — so much so that TED is refusing to post a talk that Hanauer gave on the subject. National Journal reports today that TED officials decided not to put Hanauer’s March 1 speech up online after deeming his remarks “too politically controversial” for the site…”.* Ana Kasparian and Cenk Uygur discuss on The Young Turks.

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Top Comments

    MichaelWithstand

    MichaelWithstand 4 months ago

    Hanauer was banned because he spoke what is true. Such is the ways of this world.
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    Helder de Brito Cabeçadas Dias

    Helder de Brito Cabeçadas Dias 3 months ago

    I have found 2 videos on the referred TED Talk coincidentally uploaded on the same day!

    watch?v=bBx2Y5HhplI

    watch?v=L7SKsxj2hAo

    Are you at TYT just lazy or plain incompetents!?

    At least you could add a link to the TED Talk in your video description!

All Comments (1,022)

    TheAlphaPyro

    TheAlphaPyro 11 hours ago

    ted has had billy graham and richard dawkins as speakers. You aren’t going to get ideas more polarizing and charged than those. TED’s excuse that it would be too politically charged was lame. The purpose of the talks is to share ideas.
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    Tillie Pearson

    Tillie Pearson 1 day ago

   
I thought that if there was anything that would deliver the truth, it would be TED. Apparently not.
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    moeskido

    moeskido 6 days ago

    TED doesn’t want to lose all those high-priced event ticket sales. So much of “ideas worth spreading.”
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    EvolvingTruthSeeker

    EvolvingTruthSeeker 1 week ago

    Sarah Silvermans talk at TED was also banned .
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    ScribbleMeSour

    ScribbleMeSour 1 week ago

    They banned him because they try to be inclusive of all ideas. When you say a wealthy most likely democrat man gave a speech on wealth inequality, he most likely approached this problem from liberal standpoint. The simple fact is by only looking at this problem though the platform of a single political party and not through many different and varied ideas is grounds for removal and disregard. These talks are more to unite the ideas of all and not advertise a certain ideology.
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    Schnake0bitten

    Schnake0bitten 1 week ago

    Lets include as many ideas as we can by banning this idea?

    · in reply to ScribbleMeSour(Show the comment)
    ScribbleMeSour

    ScribbleMeSour 1 week ago

    Yes because his ideas were exclusive. Just like the system of law there needs to be rules to protect others opinions and ideas. When you start excluding other ideas by only looking at a problem through one scope you essentially trampling on and furthered discussion on the topic.
    · in reply to Schnake0bitten(Show the comment)
    Schnake0bitten

    Schnake0bitten 1 week ago

    I don’t understand how his speech stops other from talking about their own ideas, no matter how ‘exclusive’ his ideas are. What I mean is, why can there not be two exclusive ideas?
    · in reply to ScribbleMeSour(Show the comment)
    ScribbleMeSour

    ScribbleMeSour 6 days ago

    If you have to exclusive ideas fighting against each other who cannot by their own definition include the ideas of other then the opportunity for collaboration is gone.
    · in reply to Schnake0bitten(Show the comment)
    Kalilden

    Kalilden 1 week ago

    I’m sure you might be a lovely, intelligent person, but this comment makes me wonder how you can walk upright with all that stupid weighing your head down.

    All perspectives are exclusive. Even the espousal of total inclusion is an exclusive idea because it EXCLUDES EXCLUSION. Any time you adopt any point of view as correct, you label conflicting ideas as incorrect.

    · in reply to ScribbleMeSour(Show the comment)
    ScribbleMeSour

    ScribbleMeSour 6 days ago

    Yes i agree that inclusion it ‘technically’ exclusion, but standing up on a stage and damning the actions of groups in individuals whether they be conservative or liberal is a bit beyond what should be accepted. No where can a discussion go involving politics. It is the reasons that cause the problem for that need to be addressed.
    · in reply to Kalilden(Show the comment)
    Kalilden

    Kalilden 5 days ago

    If the actions of a group of individuals is criminally deceptive, then they can be damned on whatever stage the one who damns sees fit. There is no reason not to accept a statement if it can be backed by facts.

    Like I said, this isn’t an issue of political standpoint. It’s an issue of an idea being pushed by a group of individuals that has historically proven to be objectively untrue, and an oversimplified and inaccurate claiming of credit that can be shown through simple logic to be wrong.
    · in reply to ScribbleMeSour(Show the comment)
    ScribbleMeSour

    ScribbleMeSour 1 day ago

    But really this is only you and your point of view on the matter. I respect it but I do not agree at all with it.
    · in reply to Kalilden(Show the comment)
    Kalilden

    Kalilden 11 hours ago

    And apparently the TED runners disagree as well. Congrats, you support repressing ideas.
    · in reply to ScribbleMeSour(Show the comment)
    ScribbleMeSour

    ScribbleMeSour 10 hours ago

    No I support an adequate forum to express ideas. He can go somewhere else to defame people.
    · in reply to Kalilden(Show the comment)
    Kalilden

    Kalilden 10 hours ago

    Defaming would be me getting on a TED talk stage, showing our argument, and saying “how can this fuckwit not see the issues with his argument?”

    Hanauer demonstrated a stark historical contradiction to claims which conservatives are on record as saying. In other words, he is dealing in facts, not opinions; the truth doesn’t lean Left or Right. And the forum is adequate because this isn’t some personal squabble; it’s an important aspect of economic policy, which affects all of us.

    · in reply to ScribbleMeSour(Show the comment)
    Kalilden

    Kalilden 10 hours ago

    It’s true that some people may take the criticisms he presents as defamation, but frankly the message is true, thoughtfully laid-out, and important, which are kind of the criterion for TED talks.
    · in reply to ScribbleMeSour(Show the comment)
    Kalilden

    Kalilden 10 hours ago

    …Listen, I shouldn’t have called you a fuckwit. At least not yet. I’m just cranky because I haven’t eaten yet, my bad.
    · in reply to ScribbleMeSour(Show the comment)
    ScribbleMeSour

    ScribbleMeSour 6 hours ago

    I appreciate your apology, someone who could debate an issue quite eloquently surprised me with such a word. But anyway, regardless of if his words had any truth, the way he went about trying put forth his message was wrong. In stead of listing the misgivings of people who did not have foresight for such misgivings he should have listed practical ways in which to solve the problem. I am well aware of the turmoil that plagues the world. One really needs to just focus on fixing the problem though.
    · in reply to Kalilden(Show the comment)
    Kalilden

    Kalilden 6 hours ago

    In order to implement a solution, one must first identify the problem. Not everyone is aware of these turmoils, and many of those who ARE aware don’t know the nature or extent of the root causes, of which corporate greed is indisputably one. The line that captains of industry and CEOs are “Job Creators” and should thus be specially rewarded is a documented lie that helps facilitate that greed’s manifestation, which needs to be exposed on whatever stage is available.
    · in reply to ScribbleMeSour(Show the comment)
    Kalilden

    Kali
lden 1 week ago

    Further, the only way the talk was from a ‘liberal standpoint’ was that it tore down a factual inaccuracy that is and has been promoted by prominent conservative Republicans. This isn’t an issue of a party line; have you actually watched the talk? You can now. The historical facts he presents are pretty damning of the “coddle Job Creators” ideal.

    So yes.

    Your comments make no goddamn sense.
    · in reply to ScribbleMeSour(Show the comment)
    ScribbleMeSour

    ScribbleMeSour 6 days ago

    What I base my assertion of this entire problem is on the report of these web journalists. They presented said facts and then I responded to how I felt about it from a non-bias perspective. The fact is the TED conference and others like it such as RSA are meant to bring people together with reasonings that are based on MATH, SCIENCE, LANGUAGE, things that are finite to solve a problem. I feel as if though when you bring politics into somewhere it doesn’t belong then there’s a major problem.
    · in reply to ScribbleMeSour(Show the comment)
    Monochromicornicopia

    Monochromicornicopia 1 month ago

    This is an old episode of TYT. Why is this just now news?
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    k3nny111

    k3nny111 1 month ago

    By now everybody knows that trickle-down doesn’t work. Even most republicans, they just don’t give a shit.
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    kakashi76767

    kakashi76767 1 month ago

    Watch the TED talks by Willkinson.
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    saltypork101

    saltypork101 1 month ago

    It’s on youtube, and TED let him talk LIVE! They just don’t want the guy’s stuff on their website! That’s their choice, and it’s OK! Stop going mental!
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    kakashi76767

    kakashi76767 1 month ago

    OK crazy occasional CAPS LOCK guy!
    · in reply to saltypork101(Show the comment)
    saltypork101

    saltypork101 1 month ago

    One word. For emphasis.
    · in reply to kakashi76767(Show the comment)
    kakashi76767

    kakashi76767 1 month ago

    You typed the words “live” and “ok” in caps, captain! That’s TWO words! You really went mental!
    · in reply to saltypork101(Show the comment)
    saltypork101

    saltypork101 1 month ago

    That’s how OK is supposed to look… Sorry for the confusion…
    · in reply to kakashi76767(Show the comment)
    kakashi76767

    kakashi76767 1 month ago

    I forgive you.
    · in reply to saltypork101(Show the comment)
    David Curiel

    David Curiel 1 month ago

    We need to have intelligent people speaking out. TED should understand this.
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    medhue

    medhue 1 month ago

    You gotta love how Cenk put 1 graph up and somehow this 1 factor tells it all. People have to be morons to think Cenk is not full of crap. I’m not pro corp, but you can’t honestly say that 1 things cause the problem. How many new law were created, and who benefits from all those laws. Taxing a corp more, only means the customers will pay more, the corp will still make similar profits, they just pass the tax onto the consumer.
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    PaulIvanish

    PaulIvanish 1 month ago

    So TED finally got it out of the dark room: they’re in favor of keeping it real and true and progressive, just not so real that they might get in trouble. Yeah… great way to be objective.
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    Jayremy89

    Jayremy89 2 months ago

    I used to really love TedTalks with much of the older content, then I started to find their content degrading over time to some menial, non-informative, lacking in boldness, random and lacking of importance or truth behind it.
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    Letatax

    Letatax 2 months ago

    Or maybe they banned it because otherwise no one would be discussing this revolutionary video. Maybe we should give this large group of highly educated people the benefit of the doubt.
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    BlueBleedStl

    BlueBleedStl 3 months ago

    Banned how? I just watched it on TED TV. and YAK TV. I seem to be missing something here.
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    gohoggyourself

    gohoggyourself 2 months ago

    The news story is from may, it could have been reinstated.
    · in reply to BlueBleedStl(Show the comment)
    Radnally

    Radnally 3 months ago

    Banned? I found it all over
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    AFSRodrigues

    AFSRodrigues 3 months ago

    Yes, but is uploaded without the permission of TED Talks.

    It should appear on their site and official youtube channel.
    · in reply to Radnally(Show the comment)
    Helder de Brito Cabeçadas Dias

    Helder de Brito Cabeçadas Dias 3 months ago

    I have found 2 videos on the referred TED Talk coincidentally uploaded on the same day!

    watch?v=bBx2Y5HhplI

    watch?v=L7SKsxj2hAo

    Are you at TYT just lazy or plain incompetents!?

    At least you could add a link to the TED Talk in your video description!
    ·2
    Emost514

    Emost514 3 months ago

    here the link for the banned Ted talk:

    upworthy.com/breaking-you-know­-that-ted-talk-you-werent-supp­osed-to-see-here-it-is-2?g=2&c­=bl1
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    John Wilson

    John Wilson 4 months ago

    I watched Nick’s TED talk on youtube. PoliticalYAK has it posted on his sight as do other youtubers.
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    4017bb

    This has been flagged as spam show

    4017bb 4 months ago
    secretendeavor1

    secretendeavor1 4 months ago

    The loss of jobs over the last 30-something years was not the result of tax cuts, welfare spending or other errant congressional policy…it was and IS the integration of over 2 BILLION newly employable workers in emerging economies. Only shrew protectionist policies cold have hoped to slow the inevitable. By the way, U.S. and European protectionist policies in the first half of the 20th century exacerbated the lead up to WWI and WWII. Remember that.
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    joe blow

    joe bl
ow 4 months ago

    The jobs were created… Just not in America lol. -.-

    It’s a joke folks… clam down­.
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    doyle2001

    doyle2001 4 months ago

    I have lost all faith in TED.
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    anonymoose711

    anonymoose711 4 months ago

    “Some of the country’s best-known multi­national corporations closely guard a number they don’t want anyone to know: the breakdown between their jobs here and abroad.So secretive are these companies that they hand the figure over to government statisticians on the condition that officials will release only an aggregate number. The latest data show that multinationals cut 2.9 million jobs in the United States and added 2.4 million overseas between 2000 and 2009.”
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    anonymoose711

    anonymoose711 4 months ago

    source – google: ‘ Corporations pushing for job-creation tax breaks shield U.S.-vs.-abroad hiring data washington post ‘
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    Roberto Aramburu

    Roberto Aramburu 4 months ago

    i thought ted “ideas worth spreading” was controversial, i guess you can be controversial as long as it helps the big fishes…
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    iamjswann

    iamjswann 4 months ago

    What Nick Hanauer fails to tell you in this TED talk is that he, himself, is directly responsible for creating over 51,000 jobs because of his investment in Amazon.com, and indirectly likely responsible for over 100,000 more jobs created because of Amazon.com. We should be thanking people like Nick for the risk he took with his money that created all of these jobs, not villainizing them for it.
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    hksin11186

    hksin11186 3 months ago

    Did you even attempt to find and watch his talk? It’s posted in plenty of other places.
    · in reply to iamjswann(Show the comment)
    AFSRodrigues

    AFSRodrigues 3 months ago

    What he says is that the jobs are also created because there’s demand for the product or service they’re providing, so you can say that consumers also have a part in creating jobs.

    So, should we give tax cuts to the consumers too?

    Or instead, should we stop giving tax cuts to rich people?

    We’re not telling them that is wrong that they’re rich. We’re asking them to pay their share, just like everybody else.
    · in reply to iamjswann(Show the comment)
    Relativisticism

    Relativisticism 4 months ago

    Translation: Your speech was too accurate and truthful so we will not support it being viewed by any additional people to educate them on what is really happening.
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    DarkprinX2500

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    DarkprinX2500 4 months ago
    DarkprinX2500

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    MichaelWithstand

    MichaelWithstand 4 months ago

    Hanauer was banned because he spoke what is true. Such is the ways of this world.
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    Agoateeman

    Agoateeman 4 months ago

    Agreed. not to mention that the wealthy in the country control more and more of it and are often able to get their way through their increased power. not so for the average guy.
    · in reply to MichaelWithstand(Show the comment)
    MichaelWithstand

    MichaelWithstand 4 months ago

    I’m not against wealthy people. I’m against too much greed that would sacrifice men. The PILLAR of democracy and civilization is the MIDDLE CLASS. Without a strong middle class you can’t have a healthy democracy or even a healthy nation, economically and politically.

    Today is no longer about hardwork and determination, too much now depends on what kind of privilege you’re born into. DO NOT squeeze the middle class. Certainly the ones needing protection are the middle class not the very wealthy.
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    nobodyisachosenone

    nobodyisachosenone 1 month ago

    damnn right you are, hooah!
    · in reply to MichaelWithstand(Show the comment)
    MichaelWithstand

    MichaelWithstand 1 month ago

    What is happening is that US political system has been captured by the 1 percenter. The population has been duped into believing what is best for the top 1 percenter is good for the rest of the society which is often NOT the case. Atm they are trying shamelessly to put one of them the one percenter as a presidential candidate and trying again to deceive the rest into believing what is good for the top 1 percenter is good for the whole society. Mr Hanauer spoke true & spoke well. Dangerous truth.
    · in reply to nobodyisachosenone(Show the comment)
    MichaelWithstand

    MichaelWithstand 1 month ago

    There’s nothing wrong with being very rich but being very rich at the expense of the rest of the society now that’s wrong. The surest way to empower yourself is by empowering the people around you. Likewise the surest way to be wealthy is by making other people wealthy too. Greed may motivate people and that’s good but too much greed INCAPACITATES and RUIN other people and that’s bad for the society and nation.
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    DollaramaShopper

    DollaramaShopper 4 months ago

    Correlation does not equal causation, but that is irrelevant. It is irrelevant whether or not his talk was biased or untrue. If TED posted Rich Warren’s content-less babbles then the speaker’s statements do not need to be completely valid and objective.
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    AMRosa10

    AMRosa10 4 months ago

    It is funny because many TED talks have talked about the abject poverty and wealth disparity in Third world nations, but heaven for bid we should talk about it here. It is like all of the charitable events to feed the starving in the third world, but suggest feeding Americans, having government funded jobs programs, or having social protections and “OH NO! They are lazy, good for nothing welfare cheats!” The thinking in the US is warped.
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    Cem Kaan KÖSALI

    Cem Kaan KÖSALI 4 months ago

    ted ‘de seyretmek zorunda değiliz. facebook’da seyredebiliriz.
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    zoebiflap

    zoebiflap 4 months ago

    Ia Cthulhu.

    Ph’nglui Mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn.
    · in reply to Cem Kaan KÖSALI(Show the comment)
    dontmiss

    dontmiss 4 months ago

    who owns TED?
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    Steve Craig

    Steve Craig 4 months ago

    I tend to agree with quite a bit of what you say, but graphs like the one that show up at 4:05 really hurt you.  You actually have a graph with 9.3 well above 22.4. Please don’t commit stupid mistakes like that anymore.

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    CardPlay3r

    CardPlay3r 4 months ago

    you’re misreading the graph, just follow the colors
    · in reply to Steve Craig(Show the comment)
    robwilson43

    robwilson43 4 months ago

    This is why spending on education is so important. It appears that you have never seen a chart with dual axes.
    · in reply to Steve Craig(Show the comment)
    Steve Craig

    Steve Craig 4 months ago

    Actually I mis-read the graph, somehow thinking both were effective tax rates, despite the fact that it is clearly labelled as effective tax for highest income & unemployment. I had the notion of % of wealth owned by the richest X% & the poorest Y% on the brain. Guess I made the stupid mistake.
    · in reply to robwilson43(Show the comment)
    robwilson43

    robwilson43 4 months ago

    You’re a good man my friend. Most people on here don’t like to admit mistakes. Happy 4th!
    · in reply to Steve Craig(Show the comment)
    justgivemethetruth

    justgivemethetruth 5 months ago

    Those tax cuts did not create jobs, they created a very small elite class of people with the entitlement to royalty, to keep their place, their jobs, their bonuses, their raises now matter what they do and the right to keep everyone else down by impoverising the public space – in fact their goal is to rid the world or anything public. This is an abomination under any form of post-enlightenment western thinking and it only works because of the Mafia gangland elite group that it creates.
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    TheNonAntiAnarchist

    TheNonAntiAnarchist 1 week ago

    I have to lol at the idea that tax cuts are the main force keeping elites in the positions they hold.
    · in reply to justgivemethetruth(Show the comment)
    justgivemethetruth

    justgivemethetruth 1 week ago

    That you think your emotional reaction to this or any issue means anything says you do not have a real or factual argument to an idea that scares you. LOL all your want, who cares?Before Reagan the US was fiscally responsible, then Republicans decided for some reason to drive the economy off the cliff, but those with lots of money are in a substantially different place than the average American. Tax cuts have not created jobs and have hobbled the government from being able to do its job.
    · in reply to TheNonAntiAnarchist(Show the comment)
    TheNonAntiAnarchist

    TheNonAntiAnarchist 1 week ago

    Your first sentence is an assumption. Your second sentence is clearly partisan, and I have no care for partisan politics, or politics of any kind really. I could give a fuck what sociopath did the spending. Now, as a matter of fact, you’re wrong in your second claim, as gov’t spending has continually risen since at least 1913.
    · in reply to justgivemethetruth(Show the comment)
    TheNonAntiAnarchist

    TheNonAntiAnarchist 1 week ago

    And lastly, you can’t prove tax cuts didn’t create jobs because you have no parallel universe in which you could observe the same chain of events absent the tax cuts. There are billions of variables that determine job growth, and yet you ignore that you can’t control for them. And trust me, the gov’t is by no means short of revenue. For you to imply otherwise would be ridiculous. Just look at gov’t revenues over time.
    · in reply to justgivemethetruth(Show the comment)
    justgivemethetruth

    justgivemethetruth 1 week ago

    Yes I can prove that tax cuts did not lead to jobs, because the tax cuts for the last twelve years have just put money in the hands of the very wealthy who invest it offshore. Jobs are not being created here. There are not “billions” of variables that determine job growth, there several “first-order” things to look at, but you have no idea what that means no doubt. Anyway you are about as non-serious as they come so this is a waste of time.
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    justgivemethetruth

    justgivemethetruth 5 months ago

    Does this woman have enough makeup on?
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    justgivemethetruth

    justgivemethetruth 5 months ago

    when facts and truth becomes political you know there is something really wrong.
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    mikerodeman

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    Seka Menacerecords

    Seka Menacerecords 5 months ago

    Who cares what it costs to attend a TED conference? They are freely available to the public the world across, myself included. Go to their channel, all free.

    I do agree TED should have shown this video, they’ve shown other ‘controversial’ talks, so why not this?
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    HeliosMachina

    HeliosMachina 4 months ago

    you can actually watch the talk here /watch?v=bBx2Y5HhplI
    · in reply to Seka Menacerecords(Show the comment)
    mattyelle1

    mattyelle1 5 months ago

    TYT is crap!!!
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    BeBoBli

    BeBoBli 5 months ago

    Cenk.

    Correlation != Causation

    Just saying, not arguing for or against.
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    justgivemethetruth

    This has been flagged as spam show

    justgivemethetruth 5 months ago
    mantonio121773

    mantonio121773 5 months ago

    Excellent work folks – please keep it up
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    themarcusismael13

    themarcusismael13 5 months ago

    amen
    · in reply to atosafi1(Show the comment)
    ierhnth

    ierhnth 5 months ago

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    semperveritatem

    semperveritatem 5 months ago

    That makes quite a bit of sense. 
    · in reply to atosafi1(Show the comment)
    semperveritatem

    semperveritatem 5 months ago

    Correlation doesn’t equal causation. And that chart is manipulated to look more severe. Maybe Hanauer’s message is true, but that slide means very little.
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    XplicitGlam

    XplicitGlam 5 months ago

    So what are we gonna do about this? ~eats a cheeto~
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    DexterHaven49

    DexterHaven49 5 months ago

    Nick is dishonest and muddle-headed.
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    Moose Head

    Moose Head 5 months ago

    Nick is a bubonic ape.
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    garretth48

    garretth48 5 months ago

    To go from the Ted talk to the planned parenthood thing was a textbook liberal non sequitur segue. TED probably made a conscious decision not to be seen as going off the deep end. I listened to the clip that was available on youtube; long on redistribution, short on economic fundamentals.
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    dan69052

    dan69052 5 months ago

    If this guy wrote a book, would TED burn it.
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    rossdaboss06

    rossdaboss06 5 months ago

    It wasn’t that his talk was political, it was that it was logically bankrupt…his claim was that consumers are the job creators, because without consumers to buy products then businesses would not be able to service them and thus consumers drive the economy. What he failed to recognize is, where exactly do consumers get their money from? They must be productive enough to obtain money to buy products/services, and they must either create their own jobs or get their jobs from an evil capitalist..
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    Dragonsnack73

    Dragonsnack73 5 months ago in playlist Politics

    Well, what money will “job creators” make when there is no jobs=consumers to buy their products or services. The trickle down economy is just as logically bankrupt, isn’t it?

    To my (naive) understanding it seems that you need both, because neither side can live without the other.

    Check out the Wikipedia or NYT articles on “Kurzarbeit” for an example how you can “create consumption” even during economic downturns: people don’t lose their jobs, they only lose 10% for their income (temporarily).
    · in reply to rossdaboss06(Show the comment)
    rossdaboss06

    rossdaboss06 5 months ago

    Producers will sell their product to other producers, who have accumulated wealth from their own production- you don’t need to tax the production of a producer in order to give his wealth to a consumer, for that consumer to buy the producers production- is that a serious question? Read “How an Economy Grows and Why it Crashes” by Peter Schiff to wash that Keynesian propaganda out of your head.
    · in reply to Dragonsnack73(Show the comment)
    Dragonsnack73

    Dragonsnack73 5 months ago

    As i said, “naive understanding”. Yes, it was a serious question 😉

    I see your point, i guess it’s a question of what you value more, job security (= steady income = steady consumption = steady profit) or profit.

    Kinda a risk vs. reward scenario?

    Anyway, don’t want to waste your time! You have a nice day 🙂

    · in reply to rossdaboss06(Show the comment)
    rossdaboss06

    rossdaboss06 5 months ago

    All I’m saying is that economic growth is derived from people actually producing value- it has absolutely nothing to do with taxing people in order for the tax receivers to consume the products of the producers, that’s a complete economic fallacy that is dangerous propaganda to spread

    · in reply to Dragonsnack73(Show the comment)
    drcphd

    drcphd 5 months ago

    Of course the talk was removed. TED is for people who actually think before they talk.
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    bigglyguy

    bigglyguy 5 months ago

    “It’s obviously the republican’s fault” WTF? Wake up; BOTH mainstream parties are effectively identical, regardless of rhetoric. Stop embarrassing us…
    ·2
    drche420

    drche420 5 months ago

    Hey TED, why don’t you let the public decide whether his speech is “too controversial”? Because, even if it is, so what? Bad things happen. Shouldn’t everyone be aware of it?
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    kaysandesses

    kaysandesses 5 months ago

    Here’s what Chris Anderson the de facto head of TED said the Haneuer:

    “Your argument comes down firmly on the side of one party. “

    Well WTF Chris. You had no problem posting Richard Dawkins speech, who incidentally, is the most well-recognized defender of the Theory of Evolution and an ardent atheist. Since when is evolution and atheism popular ideas among Republicans?
    · in reply to drche420(Show the comment)
    drche420

    drche420 5 months ago

    You’re obviously prejudiced against Dawkins and you’ve demonstrated your ignorance of evolution all in one sentence. Dawkins is an evolutionary biologist and a professor. His job for decades was teach people about the fact of evolution. The Theory of Evolution is irrelevant. How evolution occurred (the theory) explains the fact of change over time (evolution).

    I’m merely attempting to correct you for your own sake in the future.
    · in reply to kaysandesses(Show the comment)
    kaysandesses

    kaysandesses 5 months ago

    You apparently misread my post. 😉 Chris is the boss of TED.
    · in reply to drche420(Show the comment)
    drche420

    drche420 5 months ago

    Just pointing out that Richard isn’t defending the theory of evolution so much as evolution itself. The how is not as important as the what.
    · in reply to kaysandesses(Show the comment)
    kaysandesses

    kaysandesses 5 months ago

    I agree with what you’re saying but you completely missed the meaning in my post. Here it is stated differently: TED thought Hanaeur’s address was too politically unilateral, but he had no qualms with disseminating Dawkin’s address which is every bit as unilateral as Hanaeur’s, both being biased toward the political left. That leads me to believe that Anderson’s personal disagreement with Hanaeur’s message was the real motive for not releasing the video.
    · in reply to drche420(Show the comment)
    drche420

    drche420 5 months ago

    I didn’t miss your meaning so much as I ignored what I agreed with and only mentioned what I disagree with.
    · in reply to kaysandesses(Show the comment)
    kaysandesses

    This has been flagged as spam show

    kaysandesses 5 months ago
    Seán O’Nilbud

    Seán O’Nilbud 5 months ago

    There is no opposing viewpoint to evolution, there’s just ignorance.
    · in reply to kaysandesses(Show the comment)
    kaysandesses

    kaysandesses 5 months ago

    Well stated.
    · in reply to Seán O’Nilbud(Show the comment)
    Steven Bee

    Steven Bee 5 months ago

    Contraception is a controversial issue? Holy fuck America, you’re fucked up…
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    AntitheistPOV

    AntitheistPOV 5 months ago

    Potato.
    · in reply to onemindtrip(Show the comment)
    AntitheistPOV

    AntitheistPOV 5 months ago

    His number was accurate enough for an off the top of his head reference. Making a semantic point about infants and people past menopause taking contraception just makes you sound silly.
    · in reply to onemindtrip(Show the comment)
    jlopez9090

    jlopez9090 5 months ago

    WOW. One of TYT’s worst stories! Hanauer’s talk was sub par for Ted standards and provided very little evidence. It was unnecessarily political and had no solutions. Watch it, the speech was flat. Ted only release 1 video a day and there were better talks that deserved to go 1st. Ted has previously released a Talk by Richard Wilkinson about the perils of income inequality. It was a good speech and had MANY facts and was not needlessly political. Hanauer then made a PR attack against TED. smh
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    AntitheistPOV

    AntitheistPOV 5 months ago

    Actually, no, it’s not.

    Source –

    U.S. Bureau of the Census

    • Virtually all women (more than 99%) aged 15–44 who have ever had sexual intercourse have used at least one contraceptive method.[2]
    · in reply to onemindtrip(Show the comment)
    AntitheistPOV

    AntitheistPOV 5 months ago

    Which statistics are you claiming were “made up”?
    · in reply to onemindtrip(Show the comment)
    BMcbugger

    BMcbugger 6 months ago

    Wow. This was one of the most incompetent “news” videos I’ve ever seen. Made up statistics. Left slanted speculation. Left slanted speculation. Left slanted speculation.

    TYT – No integrity. Not news.
    ·
    alsander124

    alsander124 5 months ago

    im not sure about the made up the statistics. but the fact that them being left slanted is bad? i dont see the problem.at least they are the right bias
    · in reply to BMcbugger(Show the comment)
    Lone77Wolf

    Lone77Wolf 5 months ago

    hmm and whats your view of fox?
    · in reply to BMcbugger(Show the comment)
    AntitheistPOV

    AntitheistPOV 5 months ago

    After Google-ing, Hanauer’s numbers seem accurate. Unemployment increased from 1995 to 2009 while taxes for the wealthy decreased during the same period. The reason Republicans gave for decreasing taxes for the wealthy was job creation. Concluding, based on these numbers, that decreasing taxes for the wealthy does not necessarily create jobs seems reasonable to me.

    Would you care to demonstrate that anything you just said is true or provide any evidence whatsoever for the claims you just made?
    · in reply to BMcbugger(Show the comment)
    BMcbugger

    BMcbugger 5 months ago

    Yeah. Good job vetting the information. Ever heard of cherry-picking? Right off the top of my head, what is it about 2009 that’s different from other years… Oh yeah. That’s right. 2009 is when standard unemployment numbers peaked after the crash of 2008. But wait, is there more? Oh yeah, another thing I can just think of off the top of my head – taxes didn’t decrease from 1995 – 2009. “Huh? Really?” No. “Well then, what happened?”. First off, in 1993 Clinton increased taxes.
    · in reply to AntitheistPOV(Show the comment)
    BMcbugger

    BMcbugger 5 months ago

    Most of those increases remained in place until 1997. Conditions for the economy were ideal in the early ’90s following the fall of “the wall”. Growth continued despite the increase in taxes, but it was slow. After the ’97 tax cuts though, the economy boomed, producing the “surplus” of the late ’90s. However, even the ’97 tax cuts didn’t cut taxes all the way around. Constantly since the end of George H.W. Bush there have been numerous fees and “hidden taxes” inserted into the economy.
    · in reply to AntitheistPOV(Show the comment)
    BMcbugger

    BMcbugger 5 months ago

    For instance, there is a transportation tax on fuel. There are taxes for imports and exports. There are multi-layered fees for registering businesses. There are fees to get certified for many industries. There are fees to pay annually, simply to remain in business. There are taxes on certain industrial equipment. There are taxes on the transfer of raw materials to new stages of industrial development. There are taxes on parts/goods to be transported across the U.S.
    · in reply to AntitheistPOV(Show the comment)
    BMcbugger

    BMcbugger 5 months ago

    There are multiple layers upon layers upon layers of taxes and fees and certifications for things like medical care and various regulatory commissions… All constantly being increased every single year. Do you know how often these things get eliminated? Almost never. You get taxed if you die and attempt to leave your wealth to your family. You get taxed if you give a big enough gift. These elements of stripping wealth from private individuals haven’t decreased. They’ve increased.
    · in reply to AntitheistPOV(Show the comment)
    BMcbugger

    BMcbugger 5 months ago

  &n
bsp; Yet, one can look at over 100 years of economic history in the U.S. and see one clear repetitive truth. Every time taxes are significantly decreased, they’re followed by ecnonomic growth. Which DID happen when the Bush tax cuts were put in place. Around 2000 the economy took another dip. The “Bush Tax Cuts” were more a response to that dip as much as they were an adherence to ideological notions of “lower taxes are good for everybody”.
    · in reply to AntitheistPOV(Show the comment)
    BMcbugger

    BMcbugger 5 months ago

    And even though there were definite decreases to taxes, the “tax cuts” weren’t permanent and have to be approved again and again for them to remain in place, otherwise the tax rate reverts to the higher level it was during Clinton’s Administration. Lastly, just use some common sense. Did the total number of private sector jobs increase from 1995 to 2008? Yes. If all the businesses owned by wealthy people disappeared with the wealthy business owners, would jobs disappear with them? Yes.
    · in reply to AntitheistPOV(Show the comment)
    BMcbugger

    BMcbugger 5 months ago

    Has Hanauer ever owned or run a business for a significant amount of time in his life, relying on said business for his sole source of income? No. Are there people in this country who technically earn over $1,000,000 a year because they own a business and the gross income of the business shows up as the sole proprietor’s income that actually take a loss for the year? Yes. Because those people have to pay a whole slew of costs, fees, and taxes before they get their cut.
    · in reply to AntitheistPOV(Show the comment)
    BMcbugger

    BMcbugger 5 months ago

    Now, run along and have fun.
    · in reply to AntitheistPOV(Show the comment)
    AntitheistPOV

    AntitheistPOV 5 months ago

    Taxes for the wealthy did decrease during between 1995-2009 and employment decreased.

    You can post as many paragraphs as you like, your conclusions are still going to be incorrect when you base them on incorrect premises.
    · in reply to BMcbugger(Show the comment)
    drche420

    drche420 5 months ago

    So presenting facts is not news?
    · in reply to BMcbugger(Show the comment)
    FreeSheep

    FreeSheep 6 months ago

    CENK YOU GOT IT WRONG! Ted banned the talk because only banned things can spread!
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    skiball100points

    Comment removed

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    · in reply to Naryan Robinson(Show the comment)
    YouHolli

    YouHolli 6 months ago

    fun fact: youtubes auto subtitle machine doesn’t recognize the word “youtube”.
    ·
    lilityger19

    lilityger19 6 months ago

    1:42 – why did that guy sniff that wall?
    ·21
    apocaRUFF

    apocaRUFF 5 months ago

    Don’t question a mans attraction to a wall. It’s a can of worms you do not want to open.
    · in reply to lilityger19(Show the comment)
    ubidubi04

    ubidubi04 5 months ago

    1:28 – why did he sniff it twice?
    · in reply to lilityger19(Show the comment)
    Deleuzeshammerflow

    Deleuzeshammerflow 6 months ago

    their decision to censor a politically charged speech is too politically charged.
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    captcrais101

    captcrais101 6 months ago

    trickle down means piss on the middle class and poor.
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    amrules22

    amrules22 6 months ago

    I do generally agree with better income equality and higher taxes on the rich but I think that graph that they highlight is slightly misused and the way they use it is out of context. There are many other factors that affect unemployment and it is a very superficial statement to say that higher taxes leads to less unemployment or vice versa.
    ·
    jjjohn

    jjjohn 6 months ago

    i agree with the points nick hanauer brought up in his talk, but his slide at 4:19 in

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